tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post2864560403913112977..comments2024-03-20T04:12:43.360-06:00Comments on Utah Birders | Birding Blog, Utah Birds, Utah Birding, Utah Bird ID: Golf and BirdsUtah Birdershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14469804211127586442noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-55903016149929424632012-08-31T09:30:18.738-06:002012-08-31T09:30:18.738-06:00Hi Guys,
Good Post when i visisted your site i rea...Hi Guys,<br />Good Post when i visisted your site i read your post ,i like your posts it is good and related to our post.<a href="http://www.myhouseremoval.com/" rel="nofollow">Removals in sutton</a>The finest London Moving Company, we specialize in moving heavy equipment, antiques and relocating complete office providing services with Man and Van in surrey, Kingston, Sutton, fulham.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248444231984517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-55578454728775439952011-01-28T08:50:47.616-07:002011-01-28T08:50:47.616-07:00I wonder if golfers would respect the space of bur...I wonder if golfers would respect the space of burrowing owls nesting on their course? I could see it going down like<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HInEgFk22WQ" rel="nofollow"> this</a>. Haha. I agree that making enemies of each other is never the way to fix problems, but sometimes there will be fundamental disagreements on what is in the best interests of society. I think trying to find common ground is a good approach in cases where it exists.Jeff Bilskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199603530458104324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-39687839890992889102011-01-28T04:52:43.702-07:002011-01-28T04:52:43.702-07:00I just read somewhere recently that golf courses a...I just read somewhere recently that golf courses are a major part of the restoration of Burrowing Owl habitat. I recently worked for a land development company that preserved, conserved, and restored native habitat and migration cooridors in a foothills locations in Idaho. We can all do a lot better by the environment if we'd just work together and not make enemies of each other.Birding is Fun!https://www.blogger.com/profile/11836693921863185316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-38448129393987670492011-01-27T15:13:34.554-07:002011-01-27T15:13:34.554-07:00Tim,
I'm afraid to disagree with you....but w...Tim,<br /><br />I'm afraid to disagree with you....but we will definitely go golfing this spring and hopefully see Bobolinks. Rose Park has nesting Swainson's and RT, but Wingpointe and Mt Dell are awesome for migrants.Jerry Liguorinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-57086853642797266282011-01-27T14:46:38.050-07:002011-01-27T14:46:38.050-07:00@Tim haha, yes they are all opinions. You could ma...@Tim haha, yes they are all opinions. You could make an argument that every single thing in the universe is based on subjective interpretation including your belief of what makes up "human nature". Not sure you're in a place to speak for all humans. But that's my opinion. :)Jeff Bilskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199603530458104324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-8410146287831599742011-01-27T14:29:34.760-07:002011-01-27T14:29:34.760-07:00@bilsky that's what I am getting at--we all ha...@bilsky that's what I am getting at--we all have differing views an opinions about the details and "what we think". And it is pretty much all opinion. You and I can completely disagree which is what this post shows. This is all part of human nature, and having the ability to formulate opinions and beliefs and have differing views from others. And the great thing about this blog we can say whatever we want and have those opinions.<br /><br />@Jerry Liguori: I disagree with you just to disagree with you so you can have someone to disagree with. Haha just messing around!Tim Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632013488170310609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-75088420340859307772011-01-27T14:28:27.779-07:002011-01-27T14:28:27.779-07:00Jerry, you don't need to when you have a birdi...Jerry, you don't need to when you have a birding hotspot right out your back door.Anonymous eBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604733195573090177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-28569231962947543812011-01-27T14:24:43.737-07:002011-01-27T14:24:43.737-07:00I don't disagree with anyone, its just a matte...I don't disagree with anyone, its just a matter of choices to pick and choose. Driving to go bird watching is a choice also, it uses gas and pollutes the air. But, am I going to never drive to a birding location again....no. There are some practices I just find disgusting though, and those I choose to boycott.Jerry Liguorinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-78529386034297973092011-01-27T14:18:24.077-07:002011-01-27T14:18:24.077-07:00With due respect, I completely disagree with this ...With due respect, I completely disagree with this statement: "The damage cause [sic] and that we will continue to cause will ultimately lead to the destruction of our planet. There is nothing I or you can do to stop or change that." <br />I don't think you or anyone can know what the future holds or ultimately what humans are capable of doing or not doing. I also believe it is against what the lessons of our own history have shown us to believe that a single person is incapable of making a difference.Jeff Bilskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199603530458104324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-61440989761821709092011-01-27T14:09:56.029-07:002011-01-27T14:09:56.029-07:00I am all for continuing the conversation. A coupl...I am all for continuing the conversation. A couple of point about what you said above though. Where you live, who you work for, how far you are from work--these are all choices and there are alternative choices to those that horribly pollute the environment. What I am saying is it is an unfortunate part of our society, and despite me caring, you caring, and anyone else caring this is not something that will be solve overnight, in 5, 10 or 20 year, in our lifetimes--or ever. The damage cause and that we will continue to cause will ultimately lead to the destruction of our planet. There is nothing I or you can do to stop or change that. <br /><br />We can definitely help slow it down, but on the scale of one or two or a hundred people it won't make a dent. Thing like golfing, ATVing, hunting, fishing, skiing, etc are things that we as humans enjoy and that is part of life, enjoying it. I am not on this planet to merely be here--I am here and am going to enjoy the short time I am on the planet. <br /><br />We can argue semantics, and will never come to a a point of agreements, we will simply just disagree. I don't see my enjoying to--and going golfing as spitting in the face of conservation--that statement simply isn't true.<br /><br />It would be like me saying anyone who works for the government or some private company driving hundreds and thousands of miles during the summer to conduct surveys, spits in the face of the conservation they are working on (which I did for 4 summers). We don't have to have these surveys or jobs to continue our lives on the planet but they are there, and as part of 21st century living in the United States in particular it is life.<br /><br />I will just agree to disagree on this one my friend.Tim Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632013488170310609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-20478699610189361412011-01-27T13:43:03.066-07:002011-01-27T13:43:03.066-07:00Okay. Just to clarify one thing. There are thing...Okay. Just to clarify one thing. There are things you have to do to live in our society. For example, you have to have coal-fired power in your home because it is city code, etc. There are things that it would be very inconvenient for you not to do. For example, If your job is 35 miles away from your home, it's probably not too easy to take the bus, or maybe your city doesn't offer public transportation to your job, etc. There are also things that are environmentally unfriendly that you choose to do for recreation or fun. That's where golfing, skiing, ATV riding, shooting lead bullets, using lead fishing gear, jetskiing, clear cutting forests to build recreational condos, etc., come in. No one calls someone else a hypocrite (well, maybe teabaggers do) if they use plastics, or have to drive a car, and no one calls someone else a hypocrite because they have natrual gas heating their home. As I said, golfing falls into the latter category...<br /><br />Also, why not continue this conversation? I'm not perfect & I do environmentally unfriendly things too, but talking about it and trying to come up with solutions will make me a better person & make the world a better place. If we keep going around living in our shitty way & we don't worry about discussion and solutions, it's just business as usual.Anonymous eBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604733195573090177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-74342965870726186812011-01-27T11:41:01.418-07:002011-01-27T11:41:01.418-07:00I think each of us can make choices as individuals...I think each of us can make choices as individuals to live in certain ways which can and do make a difference. We all have the choice to pick our battles and where we'll try to make the world a better place from our perspective. I think what can be frustrating is when "society" at large makes decisions that are in direct violation of your personal ethics. An example for me would be the way certain factory farms are allowed to run in the United States or when the Utah state government steps in and says they want to kill all the wolves because they are a menace. Or when they build 5 MORE golf courses in a water depleted region or 5 MORE ski resorts in an already diminishing montane habitat. What is the financial value of a three-toed woodpecker and when will that ever trump the financial value of a ski resort? Interesting discussion.Jeff Bilskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199603530458104324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-85944441936568818822011-01-27T09:06:01.765-07:002011-01-27T09:06:01.765-07:00Spot on Jerry, Spot on!Spot on Jerry, Spot on!Tim Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632013488170310609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-56707043277102859932011-01-27T08:28:25.013-07:002011-01-27T08:28:25.013-07:00None of us lives by a perfect code of environmenta...None of us lives by a perfect code of environmental ethics.....if you eat meat, or support a meat company in any way, drive a car, use electricity, etc, than you are "destroying" the earth as well. Anyone can be made to be a hypocrite. If we do our part to educate, and do our part as biologists or volunteers, that's all you can ask. This discussion could go on and on, and off in many tangents, so that is all I will say about it. I'm not going to finger-point, I own a hybrid car and am environmentally aware in many ways but faulty in several ways regarding this topic.Jerry Liguorinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-8970447970151541332011-01-26T23:27:58.841-07:002011-01-26T23:27:58.841-07:00Same thing with skiing. A lot of birders are avid...Same thing with skiing. A lot of birders are avid skiiers & they seem to ignore the fact that thousands of Doug Firs were pulverized to make one run. How many Three-Toed Woodpeckers could nest in one ski run if it were replanted?Anonymous eBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604733195573090177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-62488945808912148462011-01-26T22:42:23.060-07:002011-01-26T22:42:23.060-07:00I think what Ryan meant to say was that we are &qu...I think what Ryan meant to say was that we are "driving" our species towards ecological disaster, taking all the "birdies" and "eagles" with us, and he doesn't want anything to do with it. But seriously, folks... I must say that I find it odd that so many birders rally behind golfing, when golfing seems to spit in the face of conservation and habitat.Anonymous eBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604733195573090177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-5885416515524197592011-01-26T18:24:54.905-07:002011-01-26T18:24:54.905-07:00Golfing isn't everything, but it certainly can...Golfing isn't everything, but it certainly can be fun if you are into it. The birding side only makes it even more fun. This goes for almost anything though--skiing, fishing, hunting, cycling, sitting on the porch drinking coffee, etc. <br /><br />As for that stat from National Geographic statistic--they are going to water the courses regardless of whether or not I golf, and that is a part of the society we are in. I am going to take advantage of it and "kill 2 birds with 1 stone".Tim Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632013488170310609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-29615677318707368212011-01-26T14:46:50.619-07:002011-01-26T14:46:50.619-07:00I've never really gotten into golfing, but I d...I've never really gotten into golfing, but I don't think I could bring myself to (not in the intermountain west, anyways). I read in National Geographic that in the western US, golf courses consume an average of 2000 gallons of water per golfer, per 18 holes. I'd rather see that water in the rivers and streams, providing habitat for birds and fish.Ryan O'Donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08135434821484374209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-13506360372623356492011-01-25T22:26:35.188-07:002011-01-25T22:26:35.188-07:00I guess if it weren't for golf courses, I woul...I guess if it weren't for golf courses, I would have never seen Tim in those silly shoes, so they're good for something.Anonymous eBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604733195573090177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-85410059434933515512011-01-25T22:25:43.320-07:002011-01-25T22:25:43.320-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymous eBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604733195573090177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-71315638304038446922011-01-25T22:19:12.282-07:002011-01-25T22:19:12.282-07:00Golf is not a game I particularly enjoy; somehow I...Golf is not a game I particularly enjoy; somehow I can't/don't want to give up the baseball swing. However, my career choice has me playing in a couple best ball golf tournaments a year at client events. There are two things that make it tolerable: booze and birding. I always make sure I pay attention to the birds, point them out to my golf partners, and wait for the birdie jokes, while reaching for another beer....Jeff Bilskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199603530458104324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-71891265651839221412011-01-25T21:03:06.767-07:002011-01-25T21:03:06.767-07:00You never see enough birds or birdies on the golf ...You never see enough birds or birdies on the golf course!<br />A couple of years ago a Red tailed Hawk came out of a tree and landed on the edge of the fairway right next to where I hit my drive. Walking off the tee box, I could see it hopping back and forth. Getting fairly close, I thought for sure it was going to fly off with my ball, like the famous gull on the 17th at TPC Sawgrass, when it lifted off with a nice fat gopher snake. <br />Then there's the wintering Ferrug that perches between the fairways on Green Springs in St. George, making out on rabbits...but that's another story.Mike Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-55579830075172582552011-01-25T20:21:41.863-07:002011-01-25T20:21:41.863-07:00I totally relate...even if I don't golf that m...I totally relate...even if I don't golf that much. Back a few years ago when the economy was booming and people took me golfing all the time, I took my binoculars along "to help find the golf balls after their amazing drives" is what I told my buddies, but I was really checking out the birds! I've added a couple life birds on the golf course. During an AZ aquatic bird count, I got permission and free carts to count birds on ponds at several golf courses.Birding is Fun!https://www.blogger.com/profile/11836693921863185316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-88162798064331119192011-01-25T20:00:25.807-07:002011-01-25T20:00:25.807-07:00Happy to go to Wingpointe in spring Tim
I've ...Happy to go to Wingpointe in spring Tim<br /><br />I've seen so many cool birds golfing...intergrade N. flicker and Myrtle Warbler at Glendale, kites in Myrtle Beach, albino Horned Owl at Park Meadows, Pygmy Owl at Mt Dell...my friends always say "haven't you seen enough birds?"Jerry Liguorinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954081165153280225.post-70609604551418169012011-01-25T17:39:24.786-07:002011-01-25T17:39:24.786-07:00I had always thought Rough-legged Hawks were the o...I had always thought Rough-legged Hawks were the only Buteo to perch on wires until seeing a Swainson's sitting mid way between 2 power poles behind the #12 green, a testy par 3 over water, of the Haymaker course in Steamboat Springs, CO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com